tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post2329488441789985056..comments2024-03-19T02:19:27.547-07:00Comments on Gavin and Yvonne The Dancing Wiccans: To BDDAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11014273051108392141noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-43769878421921556282008-02-27T19:13:00.000-08:002008-02-27T19:13:00.000-08:00Just remember "the frost's" will always hide, cowa...Just remember "the frost's" will always hide, cowards never face the righteous.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14820322294853842743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-35862476313823052272008-02-27T19:06:00.000-08:002008-02-27T19:06:00.000-08:00I think...... Gavin and Yvonne the dancing pengui...I think......<BR/> Gavin and Yvonne the dancing penguins are nuttier then a fruitcake!!!!Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14820322294853842743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-15965341312935740992007-10-17T04:53:00.000-07:002007-10-17T04:53:00.000-07:00Greetings Bloggers,As the rhetoric rolls on, and a...Greetings Bloggers,<BR/><BR/>As the rhetoric rolls on, and attempts are made to draw out the Frost's with some sort of rationale to justify their writings, it is plain to see that the efforts are being fruitless. I'm sure the Frost's realize that any sort of defense they may attempt, will quickly be turned and twisted against them. Like those who wore the green crosses of the inquisition, any sort of mitigating or explanatory remarks, were quickly turned into reasons for further torture and death. So at this point in history, the wisest defense the Frost's could make, is no defense at all, in my humble opinion. And of course, the prisons of the inquisition saw silence as an admission of quilt, and I'm sure many feel that way in this issue. But in the full scheme of things, silence can cause less turmoil.<BR/><BR/>Have A Great Day,<BR/>Blue Skullnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10661018853014181145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-15097494039954332902007-10-15T15:06:00.000-07:002007-10-15T15:06:00.000-07:00The problem, Mr. Drew, is your obsessive behavior,...The problem, Mr. Drew, is your obsessive behavior, not with the Frosts. I have challenged you repeatedly to produce ten people who have been directly harmed as a result of the Frost's book. So far you have ignored this challenge. So far you have failed to produce anyone who has been harmed.<BR/><BR/>The REAL complaint that could be made against the Frost's book is that it is a failure. People have read it for over 30 years and nobody is following that part. That doesn't sound very successful.<BR/><BR/>But you ignore the true failure and instead focus compulsively on your personal obsession.<BR/><BR/>The problem with obsessions, Mr. Drew, is that they can quickly change to something else. Nobody can guess what that might be, but the fact is your obsessive campaign is a failure and I hope you get some valid mental help before you harm yourself (worse than you've already done) or harm a family member.E_Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08825053382534086932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-15890861233943890732007-10-15T11:46:00.000-07:002007-10-15T11:46:00.000-07:00"Now what the Frosts are attempting might be. Wher..."Now what the Frosts are attempting might be. Where I take issue with the book and it’s content, it seems there is an effort underway to convince people that my issue is that I think they are pedophiles."<BR/><BR/>Shall we go back and find the posts referencing your statements?Ceraunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06153438718684164036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-76789895685628475282007-10-15T11:12:00.000-07:002007-10-15T11:12:00.000-07:00Concerning groupthink - I continue to provide comm...Concerning groupthink - I continue to provide comments and quotes in an effort to show folk what the Frosts have written. Folk read the material and form their own individual opinions. That is not groupthink.<BR/><BR/>Now what the Frosts are attempting might be. Where I take issue with the book and it’s content, it seems there is an effort underway to convince people that my issue is that I think they are pedophiles. As the effort to cause that change in consciousness is not factually based and does not call on people to make their own decisions, but instead create a mob mentality well now we are talking group speak as I understand the term.<BR/><BR/>As I have always said, read the book for yourself. Make up your own mind. Then you too can be called a Drewbie, Groupie, or what ever the next popular term will be.A.J. Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05131431438479720026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-81538553678894672422007-10-09T16:09:00.000-07:002007-10-09T16:09:00.000-07:00Opheliac, if your inability to understand English ...Opheliac, if your inability to understand English and your easy ability to misrepresent what others have written is a sign of our educational system, woe to all of us!<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, you'll be a perfect hack spokeshole for the Republican party.EAndersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463742081023610822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-82886355342663258312007-10-09T11:17:00.000-07:002007-10-09T11:17:00.000-07:00Its hard to understand you when you talk in circle...Its hard to understand you when you talk in circles and attempt to discredit my entire life instead of sticking to a point.<BR/><BR/>If you'd like to know, I graduated with honors from Topsail High School and currently attend The University of North Carolina at Wilmington, though was accepted to multiple other schools due to my extremely high English SAT score and very nice Math score(though my spelling is still lacking) which to be honest, I don't remember the exact numbers. I never took an IQ test, our school didn't do them.<BR/><BR/>I will continue to be a lurker here, its just way to entertaining. A stress reliever after all the educational debates from class. But I shall digress for a moment before I do depart from conversation: dude... you're nuts. Get a life.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-70003249523608167062007-10-08T17:05:00.000-07:002007-10-08T17:05:00.000-07:00Opehliac, your posts get funnier and funnier. You ...Opehliac, your posts get funnier and funnier.<BR/> You wrote, "I am not saying that people are dumb, as you imply I did, because they haven't gone to college."<BR/><BR/>I didn't say that at all and once again you are either shown an incredible inability to understand English, or you are just a troll.<BR/><BR/>What I DID say was that you were you "insult everyone here by thinking that they couldn't pay attention to what you say because you don't have a college 'major under [your] belt.'"<BR/><BR/>Your every post referring to what I have posted has misrepresented what I wrote. That makes me think you either have difficulty reading--perhaps dyslexia--are just stupid, or have another agenda.<BR/><BR/>If the first, then I doubt you are in college at all--more likely you would be barely getting through 11th grade. I choose to think you are not the second. That leaves only the third. And I still wonder what your agenda is.<BR/><BR/>Of course, if after my pointing out how you have misrepresented what I stated not once or twice, but three times, if you again misrepresent what I have posted I will be sure that you do not have an agenda. Rather, you are simply a moron (i.e., an IQ between 50 and 69) or a troll.Mr. E. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05402197514199756210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-27997235373658302322007-10-08T10:21:00.000-07:002007-10-08T10:21:00.000-07:00My real agenda? I'm bored. Don't try to start any ...My real agenda? I'm bored. Don't try to start any underlying messages, because there really isn't any.<BR/><BR/>You're dancing around in a circle trying to prove me wrong in some way. I'm not going to argue with you, you can't beat wisdom into a mule.<BR/><BR/>I am researching because we all have room to learn. I know about my religion, about religions in general. But I don't know all, no one can know everything. I just don't keep up with the politics surrounding it. You can know about deities and rituals without knowing about authors and famous people. It's the wonderful thing about being solitary, you can focus on the religion without the fluff and bull.<BR/><BR/>I am not saying that people are dumb, as you imply I did, because they haven't gone to college. Hell, I haven't even finished it yet. But when someone is abusing a theory to sound smart, I will speak up with what I know.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-43502917437395651472007-10-08T10:16:00.000-07:002007-10-08T10:16:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-80837259716446265832007-10-08T08:35:00.000-07:002007-10-08T08:35:00.000-07:00Opheliac said..."So apparently you do not believe ...Opheliac said...<BR/>"So apparently you do not believe it is possible for two people to both feel vehemently for the same thing."<BR/><BR/>You seem to be acting purposely obtuse on this. You are also putting words in my mouth that I never said and never intended.<BR/><BR/>Of course it's possible for two people to both feel vehemently for the same thing. Is that clear? Do you understand that? <BR/><BR/>Earlier you wrote:<BR/>"Just because they have the SAME OPINION as AJ Drew doesn't mean that they worship him on a daily basis or even have heard of him before!"<BR/><BR/>To which I replied: "Opheliac, you're correct. Just because they have the same opinion as Mr. Drew does not mean they are his groupies or worship him."<BR/><BR/>For some reason you're pretending you don't understand this. I think everyone here will be able to read through your silliness.<BR/><BR/>What I also wrote was that people "are not groupies of Mr. Drew because they have the same opinion as Mr. Drew. They are groupies because they think and act like his groupies."<BR/><BR/>Further, I wrote: "There are people who have the same opinions as George Bush or Hillary Clinton. That does not make them groupies of those people. When they hang on every word those people say, adopt it as their own, and then do what they think their god wants, then, indeed they are groupies."<BR/><BR/>I would hope that you now understand the difference between people who think alike and people who are groupies.<BR/><BR/>However, that, unfortunately, may not be the case. Some people are so dedicated to their beliefs that they will lie about them (as you attempted to lie about what I believed).<BR/><BR/>You also write " Just because I was researching wicca doesn't mean I am thoroughly ignorant of it. I am already of a "similar" religion and have been studying since childhood. I usually just don't bother paying attention to the politics of its members. I like being solitary, being alone helps me think. An art that has long been lost."<BR/><BR/>But earlier you wrote that you "stumbled" on this site because you were "researching" Wicca. How much "research" does someone need if they are not "thoroughly ignorant" of it and have been "studying since childhood?"<BR/><BR/>Let's see...you clearly misrepresented what I wrote twice, your statement about your own history sound dubious at best, and you insult everyone here by thinking that they couldn't pay attention to what you say because you don't have a college "major under [your] belt."<BR/><BR/>One wonders what your REAL agenda is here.Mr. E. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05402197514199756210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-40340325104457578452007-10-08T02:45:00.000-07:002007-10-08T02:45:00.000-07:00So apparently you do not believe it is possible fo...So apparently you do not believe it is possible for two people to both feel vehemently for the same thing. One must be a groupie. That puts quite a dimmer light on the entire civil rights campaign.<BR/><BR/>I've going on witchvox off and on for quite some time now. Just because I was researching wicca doesn't mean I am thoroughly ignorant of it. I <I>am</I> already of a "similar" religion and have been studying since childhood. I usually just don't bother paying attention to the politics of its members. I like being solitary, being alone helps me think. An art that has long been lost.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-77383863556771969512007-10-03T13:28:00.000-07:002007-10-03T13:28:00.000-07:00I believe its called eclecticism.I believe its called eclecticism.Archaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489094457166214021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-50275714352213290912007-10-03T13:12:00.000-07:002007-10-03T13:12:00.000-07:00http://www.freewebs.com/athenaartemis/pathsyoucant...http://www.freewebs.com/athenaartemis/pathsyoucantake.htm<BR/>The Church of Wicca was founded by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. They offer correspondence courses in their brand of Wicca, which is sometimes called Celtic Wicca. The Church of Wicca has just recently begun including a Goddess in their deity structure, and has been very patrofocal as Wiccan traditions go. The Church of Wicca terms itself "Baptist Wicca"<BR/><BR/>I found this while looking for answers to some of my questions that the Frosts do not wish to answer unfortunately.<BR/><BR/>Now why would someone who seems to not like Christians want to dub their religion with a Christian name????Rhiannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06710091112575688928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-32767976615480686692007-10-03T12:02:00.000-07:002007-10-03T12:02:00.000-07:00Opheliac, since you "stumbled upon this site out o...Opheliac, since you "stumbled upon this site out of boredom researching Wicca," I would respectfully suggest that you would learn much more by visiting http://www.witchvox.com/ rather than focusing on either here or on Mr. Drew's website.Mr. Edward Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877940650929478027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-63796209588660463472007-10-03T11:57:00.000-07:002007-10-03T11:57:00.000-07:00Opheliac, as I wrote, people "are not groupies of ...Opheliac, as I wrote, people "are not groupies of Mr. Drew because they have the same opinion as Mr. Drew. They are groupies because they think and act like his groupies."<BR/><BR/>There are people who have the same opinions as George Bush or Hillary Clinton. That does not make them groupies of those people. When they hang on every word those people say, adopt it as their own, and then do what they think their god wants, then, indeed they are groupies.<BR/><BR/>As you said, you just stumbled on this discussion. That you agree with Mr. Drew does not make you a groupie. If a person thinks and acts like a groupie then that is what they are.Mr. Edward Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877940650929478027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-68508382752664413682007-10-03T05:53:00.000-07:002007-10-03T05:53:00.000-07:00I have to say that after your post, I went to his ...I have to say that after your post, I went to his blog to check it out. I only found two similar posters, and they appeared fairly recently.<BR/><BR/>One thing about Sociology that ANY student learns on the first day of class: it is simplistic. Group think simply cannot work if there is no direct pressure.<BR/><BR/>I admit that I have the same opinion as AJ Drew, but have no interest in pursuing his blog or any of the such. So am I a "groupie"? Although groupie is such an abused word, its denotation is not nearly as bad as its connotation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-30964115376858711992007-10-03T03:21:00.000-07:002007-10-03T03:21:00.000-07:00Hey Rhiannon,What's your blog's url? I'd love to ...Hey Rhiannon,<BR/>What's your blog's url? I'd love to go and read. <BR/>If you don't mind posting it publicly.<BR/><BR/>Good Job Rhiannon :)Knowledge Is Powerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09387400719998783624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-37005632809904828202007-10-03T01:26:00.000-07:002007-10-03T01:26:00.000-07:00Opheliac said..."I stumbled upon this out of bored...Opheliac said...<BR/>"I stumbled upon this out of boredom researching Wicca..."<BR/><BR/>"Just because they have the SAME OPINION as AJ Drew doesn't mean that they worship him on a daily basis or even have heard of him before!"<BR/><BR/>Opheliac, you're correct. Just because they have the same opinion as Mr. Drew does <I>not</I> mean they are his groupies or worship him.<BR/><BR/>However, you claim you have only stumbled on this site. What you don't know is that they are also on a site dedicated to Mr. Drew and ape and support <I>everything</I> he says and does. They treat him as the all wise, all knowing god. <BR/><BR/>Your error is assuming that this is the only place they post. It is not. Your error is assuming that they came to the same conclusions independently of Mr. Drew. They do not and have not said anything on this subject <I>until</I> Mr. Drew posts it.<BR/><BR/>No, they are not groupies of Mr. Drew because they have the same opinion as Mr. Drew. They are groupies because they think and act like his groupies. Having the same opinion is just one aspect of it.<BR/><BR/>Your statement that they are not being forced to make a stand is simplistic. It is true that nobody is holding a gun to their heads forcing them to take a stand, but as groupies they have a focus of supporting Mr. Drew and attacking his perceived enemies <I>as if</I> they were being forced to do so. It is a fixation and compulsion. They are metaphorically forcing themselves to do it.Mr. Edward Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877940650929478027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-87478476225994683522007-10-02T21:20:00.000-07:002007-10-02T21:20:00.000-07:00I hate to say this without having a major under my...I hate to say this without having a major under my belt, but as a college Sociology student, I also hate to say that you are abusing the idea of group think. Group think is only applicable in personal instances where the subjects are forced to make a stance. These people are not being forced to post. It deals with a person or persons within a group not wanting to be left out of said group so they follow the majority. In this case, to even apply group think in the most technical of ways would insinuate that they wouldn't post at all if they disagreed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-3331562725858307192007-10-02T21:01:00.000-07:002007-10-02T21:01:00.000-07:00Opheliac-We've been trying to encourage them to do...Opheliac-<BR/><BR/>We've been trying to encourage them to do just that. Move on. But they can't let it go. They keep on, repeating the same old things, over and over and over again. Well, we never believed them the first time. Still, somehow they seem to think if they repeat them often enough, somebody somewhere will believe them. <BR/><BR/>That is a sign of obsession, and it is a sign of group think. People that engage in a kind of group think can genuinely be said to be groupies, and in this case AJ Drew is their leader. So therefore the description is, I think in most cases, an apt one.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-54790133806557484982007-10-02T20:16:00.000-07:002007-10-02T20:16:00.000-07:00By all that is breathing and beating, I read this ...By all that is breathing and beating, I read this blog to see interesting but stalemate arguments! But PLEASE GUYS! If I see one more "omgzors lyke woah you iz an AJ Drew groupie!" I will stab myself in the eye with a pencil! Its so childish and immature that I promise it's not helping your case any. I stumbled upon this out of boredom researching Wicca (being not Wiccan, but closer to Celtic Pagan myself), and I'm sure that alot of other people here have as well. Just because they have the SAME OPINION as AJ Drew doesn't mean that they worship him on a daily basis or even have heard of him before!<BR/><BR/>Closing Arguments: MOVE ON.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806570645517889494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-32107806545478163032007-10-02T19:48:00.000-07:002007-10-02T19:48:00.000-07:00Fenix fenix said... You could always come to the W...Fenix <BR/>fenix said... <BR/>You could always come to the Witch's Ball. It's free. And it's open to the public.<BR/><BR/>Well that would be nice but I am already committed to another event at that time and have been since January.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for making the suggestion though.<BR/><BR/>I really hate having to "assume" anything about anyone until I have a chance to meet them but boy the Frosts are making a bit hard here. Especially by not answering questions. It is understandable about not answering a few people's questions but there are others that could be answered.Rhiannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06710091112575688928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357027421761048480.post-32974852417691721662007-10-02T19:43:00.000-07:002007-10-02T19:43:00.000-07:00Knowledge is PowerRhiannon said... "I was willing ...Knowledge is Power<BR/>Rhiannon said... <BR/><BR/>"I was willing to do just that. I was willing to take time from my business to drive 4 hours and meet them, but it seems it will not happen now."<BR/><BR/>Gee Rhiannon, wonder if you sent them $100 they'd do it?<BR/><BR/>Maybe but it isn't worth it to me. If they have to be paid to let people get to know them then I don't think I want to know them.Rhiannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06710091112575688928noreply@blogger.com